Pope felt proficient. He'd already dabbled in Hypercard. 'Once I got into C++ programming, I realized, this is where I want to be. had he not felt that much more comfortable in programming classes. You've got to deal with gearing and lubrication and switches and sensors, all the shit that I actually wasn't that interested in.' He might have stuck with that portion of the engineering process.

However, unlike the more straightforward building projects he'd done with his father and his high school buddy, he faced a harsh truth: 'What I learned is that, uh, the real world is messy,' Pope says. With that excitement in mind, Pope applied to Virginia Tech's mechanical engineer program. Pope had mentioned working on cars with his dad what was that like? And as we take our time to place orders and slurp up meaty, fatty broth, the conversation turns to his childhood. Pope takes a break from his Naughty Dog stories once we approach a noodle shop. He admits that experience helped him get over his 'OCD engineer' perspective, where 'we have to make sure a bridge never collapses, even when Godzilla walks over it.' Childhood dreams of wooden cows and robot lizards 'It's a rite of passage, basically, where your whole mentality changes about what's important when you're working on a game,' Pope says. 'It's ugly, but the player will never see the code.' Pope recalls 'freaking out' when the game in question shipped and the game's hero 'Nathan Drake looks, like, ridiculous. 'What if we just ditch the whole thing?' Pope recalls Balestra saying. He credits Uncharted series tech lead Christophe Balestra, who ordered the staff to cut a wonky, hacked-together camera system that had been gumming up a game's code to some extent. In the process of getting through two Uncharted games, Pope began accumulating the kind of experience he'd never considered relevant to being a good game maker: pragmatism.

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